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Sobshrink's avatar

I'm a retired school psychologist, and my bias is against physical discipline for the reasons listed in the APA article below. Granted, this is about using it on children, and perhaps it would be different with adults, but I still worry about the message we're sending, and whether this might lead to more acceptance of corporal punishment with children. It's been an uphill battle just to get it out of schools, and that battle is still not won. I'd hate to see us backslide. I also think that the difficulty in deciding who is going to be eligible for this form of punishment is glossed over here. Presumably we would only use violence (yes, flogging is a form of violence) with non-violent offenders. Would this lead them to become more aggressive/violent? Also, as somebody who has worked in a detention facility for adolescent male offenders, I've had many a young man tell me about all the crimes he committed for which he did NOT get caught. It's not that easy to know who is violent and who isn't based solely on the crime for which they were arrested. Some kids welcome spanking with a defiant attitude and it serves as no deterrent at all (not surprising since it teaches them nothing). I suspect there would be some adults like that, for whom the removal of the threat of imprisonment would increase their tendency to commit a crime. I agree the current system is in need of reform, but I worry that this "simple" solution would remove the pressure to actually do something more meaningful. But nice try! :)

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/05/physical-discipline

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Very unconvinced here -- unless MAYBE if you want to use “punishment” as simple retribution. To work as a genuine deterrent you'd probably need to make it pretty severe (cf. Singapore judicial caning, tho they have it in addition to prison) which then makes the "cruel and inhumane" case against it much stronger and would make it much less suitable for low level offences.

So, when humane/not severe probably pretty useless as a deterrent, obviously sending a wrong message about use of violence, and if voluntarily chosen as a swap, likely to be chosen by people for whom it's not a big deal at all and might be a fairly low price to risk paying for certain crimes.

Alternative to prison for low level offences other than financial penalties include electronic tagging (reduction of freedom without being imprisoned in a secure facility) and doing a number of hours of unpaid but useful work, on top of more "social work" type interventions to reduce reoffending. I don't have handy data on how well these work, in what context of at all, or whether any are widely used in the US system and to what effect, though.

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